29 | Constantin Eis & Giovanni Damato — CEO & US President, CMBlu Energy

<p>🐳 <strong>Why doesn’t Nature store energy using metal? And what does it use? And how many kWh of energy per liter is stored in a Blue Whale?! </strong>For answers, we turn to the dynamic duo of <strong>Constantin Eis</strong> (CEO, <a href="https://www.cmblu.com/en/home/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">CMBlu Energy</a> AG—the mothership) &amp; <strong>Giovanni Damato</strong> (President, CMBlu Energy, Inc.—the CA, US manufacturing subsidiary) who sit down (in person!) with BioZen’s CEO Nate Kirchhofer at <a href="https://www.re-plus.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">RE+ in Anaheim, CA</a>—the most comprehensive clean energy industry event in North America. </p><p>This discussion covers the “secret sauce” working mechanism of CMBlu’s flagship <a href="https://www.cmblu.com/en/technology/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Organic SolidFlow technology,</a> combining elements of both flow batteries and solid state energy storage, as well as its advantages in:</p><ul> <li>safety (no fire) </li> <li>sustainability (recyclable earth-abundant conflict free materials) </li> <li>security (local, mature, vertically integrated supply chains) </li> <li>footprint (efficient built environment; stack vertically) </li> <li>flexibility / modularity (separate scaling of power and energy) </li> <li>serviceability (conventional parts for repairs and (de)commissioning)</li></ul><p>Hear about CMBlu’s market traction, including pilot projects with <a href="https://www.wecenergygroup.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">WEC Energy Group</a> in Wisconsin, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_River_Project" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Salt River Project</a> in Phoenix Arizona, and the DOE and National labs—not to mention their <a href="https://www.cmblu.com/en/press-and-media/mercedes-benz-batterieprojekt-rastatt/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">first commercial order by Mercedes</a>. </p><p>Stick around for more info about the Organic SolidFlow battery cycle life and its “Depots” and “Shuttles”, its differentiation from lithium ion technology, audacious goals of getting to $0.01/kWh LCOS, some thoughts on the petroleum industry, and advice on relentless pursuit of innovation: "<em>I think what we needed to learn is that no one is really waiting for you apparently, so you really need to do it by yourself.</em>"</p><p>We also discuss the continued positive impacts of the 2022 <a href="https://www.energy.gov/lpo/inflation-reduction-act-2022" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">IRA </a>and <a href="https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684/text" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">BIL</a>, trends in utilities’ energy storage going from current 4h discharge to 8h+, forecasts for 2035 and even 50 years from now, and some things that surprised Giovanni and Constantin during the commercialization process.</p><p>[Recorded 10 Sept 2024]</p><p><br /></p>