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Episode 29: Private Bar Assigned Counsel Program, State Public Defender with Kathleen Pakes and Melissa Lamb

Episode 29: Private Bar Assigned Counsel Program, State Public Defender with Kathleen Pakes and Melissa Lamb1 dec 202535 min

Through the Assigned Counsel Program, the Wisconsin State Public Defender (SPD) appoints private bar attorneys to handle conflict cases, providing attorneys with courtroom experience in criminal cases representing clients charged with misdemeanors and felonies across the state. "You can absolutely do it," said attorney Kathleen Pakes, director of the Assigned Counsel Program.

Pakes is talking about new or newer attorneys who may be interested in taking assigned cases, noting SPD provides training and other resources. Learn more about the opportunities in Episode 29 of the State Bar of Wisconsin's Bottom Up Podcast, a bonus episode with Pakes and program and policy supervisor Melissa Lamb, hosted by State Bar Communications Director Joe Forward.

This conversation explains the program and explores the essential qualities and motivations of public defenders, the unique challenges they face, and the critical role they play in upholding justice and protecting clients' rights.

Chapters

00:00 – Introduction to the Episode

00:55 – Guest Introductions: Melissa Lamb and Kathleen Pakes

02:20 – What Is the Assigned Counsel Program?

04:15 – History and Attorney Shortage Challenges

06:31 – How Attorneys Join and Work with SPD Assigned Counsel

08:20 – Mentorship, Training, and Community Support

11:10 – Why Assigned Counsel Is Valuable for Young Lawyers

12:40 – Case Types, Flexibility, and Attorney Lifestyles