What Can Kids Teach Us About Love with Julian Shapiro Barnum

<p>This week, Liz sits down with Recess Therapy creator and host Julian Shapiro-Barnum — a self-proclaimed &quot;boy problem&quot; — to hash out the messy, unspoken rules of flirting, trust, and why so many of us struggle to date without baggage. They get into why Liz doesn&#39;t trust men (and why that&#39;s <em>not </em>crazy), what kids can teach us about love, and Julian&#39;s new book <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/761125/how-to-grow-up-without-becoming-a-grown-up-by-julian-shapiro-barnum/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer"><em>How to Grow Up Without Becoming a Grown-Up</em></a>!</p><p><br></p><p>Remember to let us know in the comments if you want to join our Patreon book club and help us find an answer to the question: are you allowed to flirt with other people when you’re in a relationship? </p><p><br></p><p>Make sure to subscribe, follow the show, and leave a comment, so you never miss an episode 💕  </p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/761125/how-to-grow-up-without-becoming-a-grown-up-by-julian-shapiro-barnum/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Buy Julian’s new book here! </a></p><p><br></p><p>Find the <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/12/09/the-new-business-of-breakups" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">article Julian mentioned about heartbreak here! </a></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/boyproblems/membership" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠Join the Patreon! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></p><p><br></p><p>Submit your boy problems ⁠⁠⁠⁠<a href="https://form.typeform.com/to/qqPLRHyP" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a>! </p><p><br></p><p>Check out⁠⁠⁠⁠ <a href="https://lizplank.substack.com/subscribe?utm_source=menu&simple=true&next=https%3A%2F%2Flizplank.substack.com%2F" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Airplane Mode with Liz Plank⁠⁠⁠⁠ on Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a>! </p><p><br></p><p>Liz Plank is an award-winning journalist, filmmaker, international bestselling author, and producer of several critically acclaimed digital series at Vox Media and NBC News. She currently hosts⁠⁠⁠⁠ Boy Problems⁠⁠⁠⁠, a podcast that tackles love, masculinity, dating disasters, and life’s biggest questions.</p>