The Secret to a 50-Year Career Is Being Willing to Lose It – Ohio Governor Mike DeWine

"You have to be willing to fail." That's Mike DeWine, the man who's held just about every role in Ohio politics, including US Senator, a job he ran for four times.

First, he lost. Then he won. Then he won again. And then he lost.

After that second loss, DeWine came home to Ohio where everyone congratulated him on a great end to a great career. Well, almost everyone.

His wife Fran, who he met in the first grade and has now been married to for fifty-nine years, said, "you're not done unless you tell yourself you’re done."

DeWine wasn't done.

Next, he ran for Attorney General of Ohio and won.

Then, he became Ohio's Governor, a role he finishes this coming January. So Connor sat him down for an exit interview on topics including:

whether the American Dream can survive the AI revolution

why the worst thing a leader can be is the smartest person in the room

DeWine's thirty-year history of humanitarian work in Haiti

his secret to remaining stubbornly optimistic (hint: have eight kids)

Plus: the box of chocolates in sixth grade and the line his whole career comes down to: