Unscrolled | Episode 31: Spiritually Formed from the Inside Out with John Ortberg

<li><p>In this deep and wide‑ranging conversation, pastor, author, and speaker John Ortberg reflects on leadership, identity, and what it really means to be formed from the inside out. Drawing from Scripture, lived experience, and AA’s Twelve Steps, Ortberg makes a compelling case for Christian spiritual formation as a way of life. Together, he and host Matthias Walther explore why spiritual formation matters more than outcomes, how surrender leads to freedom, and why the church’s greatest task isn’t producing results but helping individuals become the kind of people the Bible calls them to be.  </p></li><p> </p><ul><li><p>Guest bio:  </p></li></ul><ul><li><p>John Ortberg is a pastor, author, and speaker. </p></li></ul><p> </p><ul><li><p>Show Notes:  </p></li></ul><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.johnortberg.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>JohnOrtberg.com</u></a> </p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Ryan Burge’s Substack - <a href="https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>graphsaboutreligion.com</u></a> </p></li></ul><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.aa.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>aa.org</u></a> </p></li></ul><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.johnortberg.com/steps" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>johnortberg.com/steps</u></a> </p></li></ul><p> </p><ul><li><p>Stay up to date with Museum of the Bible on social media: <br> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/museumofBible/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>@museumofBible</u></a> <br> X: <a href="https://x.com/museumofBible" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>@museumofBible</u></a> <br> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/museumofBible/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>museumofBible</u></a> <br> LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/museumofbible/posts/?feedView=all" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>museumofBible</u></a> <br> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@MuseumoftheBible" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>@museumoftheBible</u></a> </p></li></ul>