Allison Leslie

Title : Building the Nest: Somatic EMDR, the Human-Animal Bond & Trauma Therapy

Guest : Alison Leslie, LCSW, SEP Release

Date : 2026-04-17 Audience : Trauma Clinicians, EMDR Therapists, Grief Therapists ============================================================

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SEGMENT 1] Topic: Alison's Origin Story — Nature, Animals & the Missing Body Piece in EMDR Tony introduces Alison, noting they connected through mutual colleague Becca at the EMDRIA conference. Alison shares her clinical journey: from a recreation therapy undergrad at Indiana University — where she "played in the woods for four years" — to animal-assisted social work, foster care programs with shelter dogs, and eventually a three-year somatic experiencing training that brought her back to EMDR. KEY POINTS: - Alison initially found EMDR clunky and confusing, and set it down - Somatic experiencing revealed what was missing: the body - Once the body piece clicked, EMDR and SE integrated seamlessly - Her foster care shelter dog work showed her that animals help clients form new predictions — "a living being cares about me" - The neurobiology of the human-animal bond and of EMDR/SE all point to the same thing: creating enough safety for new learning ============================================================ [SEGMENT 2] Topic: The Nest Metaphor, Pendulation & Phase Two EMDR Alison introduces the Nest Metaphor — a nature-based framework she created for trauma conceptualization, history taking, and healing. Discussion covers pendulation as a somatic resource, and the critical importance of phase two preparation as building capacity for comfort — not just processing trauma. KEY POINTS: - The Nest Metaphor uses the imagery of bird nests across a life span: womb nest, early home nest, today's nest, future nest - Clients often unconsciously build the same nest they grew up in — in a different tree, in a different city - A photo of a nest built with cigarette butts: adaptive for the bird, harmful for the nestlings — opens conversation about ACEs, environmental racism, and systemic harm - Pendulation (somatic experiencing): the natural rhythm of expansion and constriction — moving into difficulty and back out to resource - Connection to the Dual Process Model of grief (Stroebe & Schut): oscillating between loss and restoration - Phase two EMDR: building capacity to tolerate comfort BEFORE reprocessing — "if it's not safe to be safe, the body scan will register as danger" - "We have everything we need to heal inside" — the therapist's job is to create conditions, not be the change agent ============================================================ [SEGMENT 3] Topic: The Human-Animal Bond as