Measured #47 - Sefton Darby

In this conversation, René sits down with Sefton Darby to unpack why ESG has attracted so much backlash—and what that means for mining, permitting, and public trust. They talk about the difference between sustainability reporting and real-world outcomes, why “social performance” work often fails when it’s treated as purely external comms, and what the best operators do differently: long lead times, strong internal links to operations, and decisions that change based on community input. ...