Interview with Kiliii Yüyan

<p><strong>Episode 45 • Kiliii Yüyan</strong></p><p>Zach &amp; Courtney interview Kiliii Yüyan, National Geographic photographer, Explorer, and speaker. Kiliii’s work focuses on indigenous communities around the world with special attention to environmental issues.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Indigenous Photography</strong></p><p>Kiliii is himself of Chinese and Nanai/Hèzhé descent and speaks often of how his own background informs his photography with Indigenous people of the world. He spends extended periods with each group of people that he photographs, building relationships and serving as an active member of the communities.</p><p><br /></p><p>Kiliii has photographed Indigenous communities and environments across the globe, such as Mongolia, Palau, and the Navajo Nation. His immersive approach is apparent in all aspects of his work, from the unusual scenes he's able to capture, to the descriptions he writes for each photograph. Kiliii is clearly well versed in the cultures he's documenting.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Backstory</strong></p><p>Yüyan took up photography only in his 30's, when as a traditional kayak builder he began photographing his work. As a visual artist, photography came naturally, and he was photographing for National Geographic in just about 3 years.</p><p><br /></p><p>An award winning photographer, Killiii has also earned 3 covers for National Geographic and his work has also been featured in TIME, Vogue, and WIRED. Yüyan is a keynote speaker through Changemaker Talent with appearances at TEDx, and NatGeo Live, among others.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Current Work</strong></p><p>In February 2026, Kiliii published a new book: <em>Guardians of Life: Indigenous Knowledge, Indigenous Science, and Restoring the Planet</em>. <em>Guardians of Life</em> features a decade of of his photos and includes contributions from two dozen Indigenous authors.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yüyan is currently working on project in the arctic, photographing Greenland sharks under the ice. He's famously known for his encounters with polar bears, sharks, and other wildlife where he captures stunning images under intense pressure.</p><p><br /></p><p>Index</p><p>0:00 - Intro: Indigenous communities are the best conservationists</p><p>0:52 - Introducing photographer Kiliii Yüyan</p><p>3:41 - Three years to becoming a National Geographic photographer</p><p>5:28 - Combining aesthetics and storytelling</p><p>9:03 - Becoming a part of the community you’re photographing</p><p>11:24 - How Kiliii finds the stories he tells</p><p>17:44 - The business of documentary photography: grants, speaking engagements, and more</p><p>32:35 - Bringing indigenous heritage to documentary photography</p><p>39:50 - A natural skill for storytelling</p><p>42:59 - Pushing past your discomfort to find success</p><p>46:12 - New book: Guardians of Life</p><p>53:22 - Indigenous conservation: Treating land as a museum vs a home </p><p>59:05 - Kiliii explains “solutions journalism”</p><p>1:06:20 - Book publisher Braided River’s unique approach</p><p>1:10:26 - Documentary photography is for kids, too</p><p><br /></p><p>Buy, Sell or Trade with MPB:</p><p>https://shorturl.at/Szqs2</p><p><br /></p><p>Find Zach</p><p>Website: https://zachdobson.com/</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachdobsonphoto/</p><p>TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@zachdobsonphoto</p><p><br /></p><p>Find Courtney</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/happylifelessons/</p><p>TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@happy_life_lessons</p><p><br /></p><p>About the Podcast</p><p>Photography is Nothing with Zach Dobson and Courtney McCracken is a weekly conversation about photography and all its impact. Each week Zach and Courtney discuss their latest adventures, life lessons, and anything else that sounds interesting. </p><p><br /></p><p>Photography is Nothing invites you into the conversations they were already having as a married couple running a photography and media company in the current world.</p><p