Joe Martin with Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba, recorded live at MAD//Fest

<p>Joe Martin founded Tickle, a platform that lets people save an ad into their phone wallet instead of buying right now. Live at MAD//Fest, he joins Rory and Elfried to ask a blunt question: why do so many companies chase the same metrics as their competitors, and end up looking exactly like them?</p><p><br></p><p>They trace how optimising for what&#39;s easy to measure can work against what actually makes a business succeed, from a CPG brand that got an outstanding result and refused to repeat it, to Soviet factories that paid workers by the weight of the chandeliers they built, until the ceilings gave way.</p><p><br></p><p>&quot;Good numbers&quot; and &quot;a good business&quot; have quietly become two different things. This episode is about telling them apart.</p><p><br></p><p>Timestamps</p><p>00:22 – Bottleneck&#39;s second-ever live show</p><p>01:40 – What Tickle actually does</p><p>02:21 – Why most ads arrive at exactly the wrong moment</p><p>05:12 – A brand gets a great result and says no thanks</p><p>08:03 – The AR treasure hunt that led to Tickle</p><p>15:17 – Why clients are bonused on the wrong metrics</p><p>17:28 – &quot;We&#39;re in the trust business, not the ads business&quot;</p><p>20:29 – Why finance can&#39;t measure a relationship</p><p>21:12 – The AO teddy bear nobody can put on a spreadsheet</p><p>26:34 – Heathrow&#39;s pods and the tyranny of the wrong metric</p><p>29:40 – The Soviet chandelier problem</p><p>32:00 – Closing out MAD//Fest</p><p><br></p><p>Follow Rory</p><p>Instagram: @rorysutherland_clips</p><p>TikTok: @Rorysutherlandclips</p><p>X: @rorysutherland</p><p>LinkedIn: in/rorysutherland/</p><p><br></p><p>Follow Elfried</p><p>Instagram: @elfriedsamba</p><p>LinkedIn: in/elfriedsamba/</p><p>https://www.butterflyeffect.xyz/</p><p><br></p><p>Follow Joe Martin</p><p>LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/itsjoemartin</p><p>https://jointickle.com/</p><p><br></p><p>A Sassy+ original podcast series</p>