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“Dr. Copper”: From Chilean Mines to Chinese Smelters to AI Data Centers in the US - with Kurt Nelson & Natalie Scott-Gray
<p>Copper steps out of the shadow of gold and silver in this wide‑ranging conversation with StoneX’s Natalie Scott Gray and SummerHaven’s Kurt Nelson. Jeff digs into why “Dr. Copper” sits at the heart of electrification, AI data centers, EVs, and defense, and how underinvestment in mines, fragile supply chains from Chile to the DRC, and China’s smelting dominance are setting the stage for structural shortages. Natalie breaks down the real fundamentals: tariffs, sulfuric acid bottlenecks, strategic stockpiling, and the difference between visible and hidden inventories, while Kurt connects it all to macro, inflation, and why investors may be underestimating copper versus the miners. Along the way, they hit on rare earths, environmental trade‑offs, and what rising retail interest in copper bars might signal about the next phase of the metals trade. SEND IT!</p><p><strong>Chapters:</strong></p><p><strong>00:00-01:16=Intro</strong></p><p><strong>01:17–04:58 = Natalie & Kurt: From Chemistry Labs to Copper Markets</strong></p><p><strong>04:59–14:09 = What Makes “Dr. Copper” Special? Conductivity, AI, EVs & the Grid</strong></p><p><strong>14:10–26:41 = Inside the Copper Supply Machine: Mines, Smelters & China’s Grip</strong></p><p><strong>26:42–39:34 = Tariffs, Trade Wars & Regional Shortages: How Policy Moves Copper</strong></p><p><strong>39:35–56:19 = Structural Deficits, Sulfur Shocks & the Coming Copper Crunch</strong></p><p><strong>56:20–1:03:09 = Investing in Copper: Futures vs. Miners, Inflation & Retail FOMO</strong></p><p><strong>1:03:10–1:08:43 = Copper Bars, Lab-Grown Diamonds & Restaurant Recs</strong></p><p><br></p><p><br><a href="https://www.rcmalternatives.com/2026/05/the-hardest-trade-is-holding-the-thing-that-doesnt-hug-you-back/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Blog Post: The Hardest Trade Is Holding the Thing That Doesn’t Hug You Back</a></p><p><a href="https://www.rcmalternatives.com/2025/02/unlocking-the-commodity-risk-premium-with-kurt-nelson-of-summerhaven/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Podcast episode: Unlocking the Commodity Risk Premium with Kurt Nelson of SummerHaven</a></p><p><br>Follow along on LinkedIn with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-nelson-98aba47/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Kurt Nelson</a> & <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalie-scott-gray-69393259/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Natalie Scott-Gray</a> and be sure to check out <a href="https://summerhavenindex.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">summerhavenindex.com</a> and <a href="https://www.stonex.com/en/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">stonex.com</a> for more information!</p><p>Don't forget to subscribe to<a href="https://www.rcmalternatives.com/the-derivative-podcast/">The Derivative</a>, follow us on Twitter at<a href="https://twitter.com/rcmAlts">@rcmAlts</a> and<a href="https://info.rcmalternatives.com/get-our-blog-alternatives">sign-up for our blog digest</a>.</p><p>Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as legal, business, or tax advice. All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of RCM Alternatives, their affiliates, or companies featured. Due to industry regulations, participants on this podcast are instructed not to make specific trade recommendations, nor reference past or potential profits. And liste
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