Episode 202. JFK, the CIA, and Deep Cover with Robert "Tosh" Plumlee & Ralph Pezzullo

Robert "Tosh" Plumlee and bestselling author Ralph Pezzullo join me to discuss Deep Cover, Shallow Graves and the extraordinary story behind the book.

Tosh shares his experiences as a contract pilot involved in covert operations during the Cold War, his account of the events surrounding President Kennedy's assassination, Cuba, Iran-Contra, and the compartmentalized world of intelligence operations.

Ralph discusses the years of research that went into documenting Tosh's life and why he believes these stories deserve to be preserved.We also talk about the personal cost of living a life of secrecy, the challenges of verifying historical events, and why debates surrounding these topics continue more than sixty years later.

An unexpected twist happened during the final ten minutes of our conversation when I suddenly lost power here in Hawaii.

While I was offline, Tosh and Ralph continued talking on camera. After I rejoined the interview, Ralph mentioned that Tosh had received a text message that read, "Tosh, you better shut up," and Tosh  even tried showed it to me.

At the time, I thought they were joking. It wasn't until I reviewed the interview during editing that I realized they had discussed the text while I was offline. We ended the interview laughing that maybe it was "just one more conspiracy."

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