
← Wallfacer Podcast23 sep 2025 · 32 min
#26: Andrew Keys, The Ether Machine | Why DATs beat ETFs & The $654M Ethereum Bet
Today's guest is Andrew Keys, co-founder and chairman of The Ether Machine and managing partner of DARMA Capital. We discuss why crypto treasury companies offer superior returns to ETFs through active yield generation, the structural limitations preventing ETFs from capturing Ethereum's full economic value, and Andrew's $654 million bet on Ethereum's future as the infrastructure for a decentralized internet. Andrew also shares lessons from a decade building Ethereum's institutional adoption and why clean corporate structures matter more than speed to market.
GUEST LINKS:
* Andrew Keys: https://x.com/AK_EtherMachine
* The Ether Machine: https://x.com/TheEtherMachine
* DARMA Capital: https://x.com/darmacapital
HOST LINKS:
* Ryan Rodenbaugh: https://twitter.com/ryanrodenbaugh
* Vaults.fyi: https://vaults.fyi
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