Return of the Mack | Valerie Bertinelli | Mackenzie Phillips

<p>She&#39;s back. In Part 2 of one of the most requested conversations in Getting Naked history, Valerie and Mackenzie Phillips pick up right where they left off — and go even deeper. </p><p><br></p><p>They begin with listener voicemails, including questions about working together again and about Mackenzie&#39;s memoir <em>High on Arrival</em> — a book Mackenzie is clear about: it&#39;s not a book about incest. It&#39;s a memoir. A full life, on the page, with honesty and courage. </p><p><br></p><p>From there, the conversation moves into some of the most raw and important territory the podcast has ever covered: the 90-day trauma program that changed Mackenzie&#39;s life, the letter she received at work years after the book came out that confirmed what she had always had a knowing about, and the EMDR therapy that finally helped both women begin to process what had happened to them. They talk about carrying someone else&#39;s shame, about forgiving a father on his deathbed not for him but for herself, and about what recovery actually means — for drugs, for trauma, for survival of any kind.</p><p><br></p><p>They also talk about grief — the recent loss of Mackenzie&#39;s dearest friend Marissa, who died four weeks after being diagnosed with anaplastic thyroid cancer. About discovering in your 60s that you&#39;re actually an introvert. About celibacy, boundaries, and the radical act of caring for yourself.</p><p><br></p><p>And they end where all the best conversations end: with two women who have known each other for over 50 years, sitting across from each other for the first time, saying <em>I love you</em> and meaning every word.</p><p><br></p><p>In the Full Reveal — exclusively for Valerie&#39;s Place members — they get into the naked truth about recovery: what it really takes, the many paths to the top of the mountain, and why, as Gabor Maté says, the question is never &quot;why the drugs&quot; but always &quot;why the pain.&quot;</p><p><br></p><p>📅 <strong>September 18th at 1pm ET — Live After-Show with Mackenzie Phillips.</strong> Submit your questions and join live. Available to all paid members only on Valerie&#39;s Place.</p>