Who's Really In Charge? The Search for Flow & Presence

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates ''Before Psychology''- the Secret Source' that exponentially increases the peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation.

What if the 'me' trying to access flow and presence is itself the misunderstanding?

In this episode, Piers continues his conversation with Deborah Hurwitz, host of the Productivity for Perfectionists Summit®

After their first conversation opened up powerful questions around procrastination, perfectionism, flow and the deeper nature of mind, they recorded a further conversation to explore the central question underneath everything:

Who, or what, is really in charge?

Deborah begins with a distinction familiar to many high achievers, creatives and perfectionists: the difference between flow and presence. Flow can seem like the state where the self disappears and life simply moves. Presence can seem like something more deliberate: the self stepping back, observing, witnessing, noticing and trying to become more grounded.

But as the conversation unfolds, that distinction begins to loosen.Piers invites Deborah into a direct inquiry into the nature of self, attention, body, sensation, perception and awareness. Rather than trying to understand consciousness as a concept, they look directly at what is available in experience.

Where is the “me” that owns attention? Where is the personal, localised consciousness that seems to be “in here”?

Do we actually experience the body directly, or only through thought, sensation and perception? And is the body the container of consciousness, or does the body appear within consciousness?

The key distinction that emerges is this:

The body-mind is not an entity that has consciousness.It is an activity of consciousness.

This begins to shift Deborah’s understanding of presence.