Episode 60 - The Radical Joy of Not Engaging

In this week’s episode of We Are Out of Office, your co-hosts Veteran Television Executive Producer Nikki T and Bestselling Author Jayne Allen clock in with a grounded, wide-ranging conversation about attention, identity, reinvention, internet absurdity, and the quiet power of choosing your peace. What begins as a casual, behind-the-scenes check-in evolves into a deeper reflection on what it means to exist in a season where clarity isn’t immediate, where everything feels a little unsettled, and where discernment becomes a daily practice.

The episode opens with the ladies doing what they do best: catching up like public girlfriends before settling into the conversation. Nikki is navigating a full content rotation—from television to cultural moments—while Jayne arrives in what she calls “commentary mode,” observing more than reacting. That framing becomes the through-line for the episode: not everything requires a response, and not every moment deserves your energy.

From there, the conversation moves through cultural recognition, entrepreneurial pivots, hair care experimentation, media consumption, digital chaos, and the ongoing work of protecting your attention in a world that constantly tries to claim it.

I See You Girl

Jayne’s I See You Girl goes to Teyana Taylor for her Janet Jackson-inspired People Magazine shoot, a visual homage that was both intentional and meticulously executed. The moment was elevated even further when Janet herself responded publicly, acknowledging Teyana’s tribute and celebrating her directly. It becomes less about the photos and more about the exchange—a real-time recognition that closes the gap between inspiration and influence.

Nikki’s I See You Girl goes to entrepreneur Danielle Leslie, who is currently navigating a very public transition out of the business model that made her successful. After building a multi-million dollar course brand, Danielle is now stepping back, questioning her identity, and sharing transparently about the financial and emotional realities behind the scenes. It’s not a clean or resolved story, but it’s an honest one—and that honesty is what makes it worth paying attention to.

What We’re On Right Now

Jayne is currently on a hair journey that centers on rethinking everything she has been taught about maintenance, moisture, and growth. Through daily washing, finger detangling, and simplifying her approach, she is developing a more direct relationship with her hair—one rooted in observation rather than as