Colin Kaepernick on Never Backing Down

This week’s episode with Colin Kaepernick was recorded live at Marcus Books in Oakland, California. Kamau opens by thanking Kaepernick for his book, The Perilous Fight, which reached #1 on the New York Times bestseller list.

The conversation turns to Kaepernick's 2016 protest. Kamau reads Kaepernick's famous quote about refusing to stand for the flag of a country that oppresses Black people. Kaepernick explains that this statement came from years of study and reading, rather than a pre-planned remark. He credits reporter Steve Wyche for handling the story thoughtfully: pulling him aside privately rather than pressing him in public, warning him of the potential fallout, and seeking permission before publishing.

They address a widely circulated misconception that veteran Nate Boyer convinced Kaepernick to kneel. Kaepernick clarifies that teammate Eric Reid proposed kneeling as a way to maintain a respectful posture while continuing the protest. The 49ers then arranged a meeting with Boyer, who initially agreed to kneel alongside them but backed out at the last minute, citing his oath, choosing to stand beside them instead. Kaepernick describes Boyer's subsequent actions as opportunistic: misrepresenting the story, profiting off T-shirts featuring Kaepernick alongside an MLK quote, excluding Reid, and leveraging the moment into movie roles. Rather than correct the record publicly at the time, Kaepernick and Reid chose to keep the focus on the underlying issue.

The discussion shifts to Kaepernick's upbringing in Turlock, California, a predominantly white town, where he was raised by adoptive white parents. He describes constantly facing questions about his background and appearance, finding solidarity with other non-white peers, and lacking Black mentors to guide him on cultural matters and hair care. Though his parents were loving, their emphasis on assimilation created tension around his style, hair, music, and culture. He found inspiration in Black athletes who succeeded while staying themselves unapologetically. Figures like Allen Iverson, Randy Moss, and Ken Griffey Jr.

When discussing his racial identity, Kaepernick states simply, "I'm Black," dismissing debates over racial categorization as divisive tactics meant to fragment the community.

Kamau brings up Jay-Z's partnership with the NFL. Kaepernick explains that after trying to reach Jay-Z to collaborate, Jay-Z only called him the day before his official NFL press conference. Kaepernick push