How to Find Meaning After Loss—and Recognize the Signs That Love Continues

What if grief isn't about letting go of the person you love—but learning how to experience your relationship with them differently?

In this deeply moving conversation, I’m joined by David J. Roberts, LMSW and Rev. Patty Furino, whose unlikely friendship began with a phone call, a computer glitch, and a double rainbow.

Dave is a retired addiction professional, educator, and grief and bereavement specialist who lost his 18-year-old daughter, Jeannine, to cancer in 2003. Patty is an Interfaith Minister who has spent decades helping people navigate difficult seasons of life through spirituality, intuition, and the wisdom found across different spiritual traditions.

When they first met in 2010, Dave approached life and grief largely through a science-based lens. Patty came from a deeply spiritual perspective.

Then something happened that began to change the way Dave understood his daughter's death.

A rainbow.

And then another.

Their friendship became a 15-year exploration of grief, spirituality, signs, synchronicity, consciousness, and the possibility that our relationships with the people we love can continue even after physical death.

In this episode, we talk about:

How Dave's experience of losing his daughter changed his understanding of grief

The double rainbow that became one of the first signs he associated with Jeannine

How Dave and Patty first met—and the remarkable circumstances surrounding their meeting