AEWCH 321: JOSHUA RIVERS & SHULI BRANSON on WHAT WE MUST LOSE TO GAIN THE WORLD

<p>Using AEWCH 317-320 as a starting point, I talk with <a href="https://www.instagram.com/_joshrivers/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">JOSHUA RIVERS</a>, poet and host of the excellent <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/1sMQ0TkalZ7SVfm6jpyg4u?si=96bd324c8cb44759" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer"><strong>BUSY BEING BLACK</strong></a><em> </em>podcast + frequent AEWCH guest, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/shulibranson/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer"><strong>SHULI BRANSON</strong></a> (host of the podcast <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0ftOqHCh6hscYy0HI6D1pk?si=37f24172292d41d7" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer"><strong>THE BREAKUP THEORY</strong></a><strong> </strong>podcast<strong>,</strong> and translator of Guy Hocquenghem's <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/4714/9781478018087" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>Gay Liberation After May '68</strong></em></a>.) about the small task of remaking the world.</p><p>At the center of the episode is a thought that's something like: We have to lose - via transformation - so much to gain the world.</p><p>The last time Shuli was on the show was a conversation with a third person, too, with Dean Spade on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/114616810" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer"><strong>AEWCH 277</strong></a> thinking through how to think bigger than the state. </p><p>On that episode, we each brought a question for the other two guests, and we do that again - but this time prompted by Josh. </p><p>These are the questions:</p><p><strong>JOSHUA: How do you care for what you love?</strong><br /><strong>CONNER: If you let go of the set of capitalism vs communism (or socialism) what’s left in your view of how to change the world?</strong><br /><strong>SHULI: How do you open things up so that you have a new and altered view?</strong></p><p>Along the way we talk about poetry, science, occultism, politics, and...well, so much else. And the episode ends with dancing. I'm so excited to share this episode with you.</p><p>Support the show on patreon: <a href="patreon.com/connerhabib" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">patreon.com/connerhabib</a></p>