Eric Ries on Vibe Coding and Building Incorruptible Companies

Fifteen years after The Lean Startup, Eric Ries is watching a new generation of founders rediscover and stress-test the core ideas behind build-measure-learn.

AI has made the build step radically faster. Code that used to take weeks can now appear in minutes. But Eric's warning is sharp: when building gets cheaper, measurement and learning become the new bottlenecks. Teams that use AI to close the learning loop are flying. Teams that use AI to outsource their judgment are building what he calls "slop factories."

In this episode, Wade and Eric cover:

Why the Lean Startup feels more relevant, not less, in the AI eraThe difference between vibe coding and engineeringWhy LLMs can become dopamine machines that make you feel more productive than you areHow to use AI to learn instead of outsourcing your learning to the machineWhy token maxing is the wrong metric — and validated learning is still the right oneHow AI may collapse old functional silos between product, design, engineering, and marketingWhy most founders have never read their corporate charter — and why that mattersEric's new book Incorruptible, and how governance becomes the art of organizational soul craftThe Costco hot dog story, Cloudflare's free encryption decision, and why "harder is easier"Check out Eric's brand new book Incorruptible: https://incorruptible.co