5.42 Alex Kocman, David Schrock, & Stephen Wellum • Interview • "The Order of Love and a Defense of Biblical Patriotism"

<p><strong>ABOUT THE EPISODE</strong></p><p>Listen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum interview Alex Kocman on his COA Longform Essay, &quot;The Order of Love and a Defense of Biblical Patriotism&quot;</p><p><strong>Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>00:00 – Understanding Ordered Love and Biblical Patriotism</li><li>04:58 – Exploring the Core of “Ordered to Love”</li><li>07:50 – Augustine to Aquinas: Ordered Love’s Legacy</li><li>10:17 – Navigating Abuse and Misconceptions of Patriotism</li><li>15:41 – Distinguishing Love for People from the State</li><li>26:50 – Reclaiming Natural Affections: Nation and State</li><li>37:33 – Eschatology and the Persistence of Nations</li><li>43:54 – Cultivating a Missionary Heart for the Nations</li><li>50:30 – Worship, Decor, an National Affections in the Church</li><li>59:59 – Final Thoughts and Further Reading</li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Resources to Click</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/the-order-of-love-and-a-defense-of-biblical-patriotism/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">“The Order of Love and the Defense of Biblical Patriotism”</a> – Alex Kocman</li><li><a href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/patriot" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">“Patriot”</a> – Etymonline</li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pietas" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">“Pietas”</a> – Britannica</li><li><a href="https://the-past.com/feature/theyre-coming-the-invasion-scares-of-1803-05-1940/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">“They’re Coming! The Invasion Scares of 1803-05 &amp;1940”</a> – David Porter</li><li>Theme of the Month: <a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/god-bless-america-the-united-states-at-250/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">God (B)less America: The United States at 250</a></li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/give/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Give to Support the Work</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Books to Read</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://press.founders.org/shop/ordered-to-love/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer"><em>Ordered to Love </em></a>– Alex Kocman</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Republic-Penguin-Classics-Plato/dp/0140455116/ref=sr_1_3?crid=37W5NZTZWRWNB&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8rTJvvJLwNIitTOjtQNFR39JgnyPiIPjIciDxW9cRvlYRzqr_ys3ULYDuCU_V54e3TcKNFqIQ2KDlDG3uNXHzQRAjxW6T1ZmSiogO23AWGANUi7P2mqYv8ZsXEsS3DZ_NHt0kSZGKj7k5YAb3ccb1hDFW3mQw4F5VxN3jEA-MZiB9aLcnP6XoZkp07sjZ2bWQDCVUQfwmvb9TX4xPUUlFOhBLvUp16gFMWyNm7XPpNH89FHoPP8wDlPglYTxbnI8AqTkijpm0TLmNm1xNY_7_bk0dySXGojkvtad1wHyUuo.ybhBZsGamEUzkNafXAFOlI3I8gDK4he2RnA4ftzpS-Y&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+republic&qid=1783948590&sprefix=the+republic%2Caps%2C196&sr=8-3" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Republic</a><em> </em>– Plato</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nicomachean-Ethics-Penguin-Classics/dp/0140449493/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1VPHN7G1I9UYM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.D9MnwZfIeOEBgLJ5tOr5DEUAvLZ8gp1Gjldy5M6B9JJPB_84hdOTM9bggOFrWj3YZtqKTxBUCnG5cNOTNqaI_mlY_pmIrkBqcNqWZMr3MQI2O_Bh4bB8hfP6USwZPliMK-CPaMI3jowG2pMap-BKIEoDeNokDTivUB3VhJtrjzy349qVhWdhOphP5sRgMQnoIbwdcYK9wEGYQ44n4z_12HcRMLJZx-kWO0piPo4E500.WcyiUb-dYgFOsNJXQJCJpHc4C2Wp0-oKLlo62mDdfic&dib_tag=se&keywords=nicomachean+ethics+aristotle&qid=1783948620&sprefix=nicoma%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-1" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Nicomachean Ethics</a><em> </em>– Aristotle</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Abolition-Man-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652942/ref=sr_1_4?crid=19XI4I0RR01VP&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0rgdOrDzWJQfsU-WOJcbcQcR0V14VncywHGDYhPVJx3q7_K0sxIN5OQDUF9Grr256AotGEDjWmRW0awnm3vKN0RXYNr40QJoAaQf26TyjwOuifV7614o9O4O5xI8elds-0vAspjzRJhsnZC7b7eUMxX41Nyju4qlRvrzQ17uQ6Lk78mBexDGqGUGkS_hZbdExcG_A3rQFHCY7UIodzriiIlmcaLVKPb5kNmqqYBVY4c.cPvkpjcGifZwwB0fTc-Rv3cvZ9n6hO_aWtqAdXFsX8E&dib_tag=se&keywords=abolition+of+man+by+c.s.+lewis&qid=1783948545&sprefix=abolition+of+man+by+c.s.+lewis%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-4" target="_blank" rel="ugc