# 92 - AI, Startups and Sports. A conversation with Michael Brand and Jonas Dunkel

<p>In this episode, I speak with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandm/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><strong>Michael Brand</strong></a>, CEO of <a href="https://traxsurf.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">TraxSurf</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodunkel/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><strong>Jonas Dunkel</strong></a>, CEO of <a href="https://www.deep-golf.de/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">DeepGolf</a>, two German entrepreneurs applying AI to elite sport performance. </p><p>Different sports but same ambition: replace guesswork with data, and help athletes improve with precision. </p><p>A conversation about technology, entrepreneurship, and building something new far from the traditional hubs of surf and golf culture.</p><p><br></p>