409: D.W. Pasulka on AI, the religion of UFOs, & the future of being human

<p>When I have questions about how technology will change human life, our experience of it, and fundamentally what we are as conscious entities... my first port of call is likely someone like Dr. D.W. Pasulka. She&#39;s labored on some of the biggest questions of the humanities only to find the world racing to catch up with her later on disclosure, on artificial intelligence, and presumably on whatever comes next in this beautiful tale told by an idiot.</p><p>I&#39;ve been reading Diana&#39;s books for years. I forgot how <em>American Cosmic </em>found its way into my hands, but I loved the restrained religious studies orientation of treating unidentified flying object (UFO)/unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) experiencers seriously, the intersection with Marshall McLuhan and media studies, and the forcing function of non-human intelligence like AI bursting onto the scene whether we were ready for it or not.</p><p><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250394866/theothers/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Her new book, <em>The Others: UFOs, AI, and The Hidden Forces Guiding Human Destiny,</em> will be released on July 28th</a>. Grab yourself a copy and dig into some real mind-bending and fun ideas. Even if you think this stuff is far out, as society increasingly takes supernormal/paranormal activity seriously and embeds artificial intelligence in so many places, books like Diana&#39;s are going to be key for understanding what is happening to our humanity, our being, and our experience of being.</p><p>And yet, somehow I only said &quot;ontology&quot; once in this podcast. I guess that religious studies restraint is rubbing off on me.</p><p>Long live the new flesh!</p><p><strong>This Episode&#39;s Sponsor</strong></p><p><strong></strong><a href="https://www.ecoengineers.us" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠<strong>EcoEngineers: a full-service advisory and consulting firm focused on carbon dioxide removal, decarbonization, and carbon markets</strong>⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></p><p><a href="https://www.rosskenyon.com/p/how-to-hire-fire-and-get-max-value" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Listen to the RCC episode I made with David LaGreca from EcoEngineers about how to choose, hire, and fire carbon market contractors.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></p><p><strong></strong><a href="https://www.ecoengineers.us/ecoforums/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠⁠⁠<strong>2026 EcoForums Training Series: </strong><em><strong>Navigating Global Carbon and Fuel Regulations, Market Mechanisms, and Life-Cycle Analysis Fundamentals</strong></em>⁠⁠⁠</a><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Resources</strong></p><p><a href="https://climateworkersanonymous.substack.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠<strong>⁠Check out my new show, </strong><em><strong>Climate Workers Anonymous</strong></em>⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></p><p><a href="https://creators.spotify.com/pod/show/reversingclimatechange/subscribe" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠<strong>Become a paid subscriber of </strong><em><strong>Reversing Climate Change </strong></em><strong>(and get rid of the ads)</strong></a><a href="https://creators.spotify.com/pod/show/reversingclimatechange/subscribe" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></p><p><strong></strong><a href="https://www.rosskenyon.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠<strong>⁠Subscribe to the </strong><em><strong>Reversing Climate Change </strong></em><strong>Substack</strong>⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></p><p><a href="https://climateworkersanonymous.substack.com/subscribe" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠<strong>Subscribe to the </strong><em><strong>Climate Workers Anonymous</strong></em><strong> Substack</strong>⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></p><p><a href="https://dwpasulka.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">D.W. Pasulka&#