S5E6:  🌑♓️Writer’s Group Ch 6: Pointing to the Moon w/ Matt

Note: This Writers Group episode is more of a diary entry documenting our creative process rather than a well-researched audio essay about a theme or an outlined interview. Transitions may feel jarring or confusing since the priority is consent and privacy over elements of our work.

Much of this conversation was omitted to protect details of our writings in progress, but in this conversation we discussed the difference between our need to be witnessed with the need to share our work, self-insert fanfiction/autofiction (why not create a badass baker?), collaborating and collectively imagining, and embracing that our work is but a gnarly finger pointing to the moon.

For more reflection, check out the substack post for this episode.

(This conversation happened on October 14, 2025, between publishing conversation with Jeanna Kadlec and S5E2)

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Grateful for all the learning and inspiration alluded to in today’s episode:

Jeanna Kadlec: “Embrace the Cringe” and “No new stories”

People’s Oracle, Dayna Lynn Nuckolls “Liberation is Collective Imagination”

Thanks to Sophie Strand for “Compost Heap” and “Sexy Inventory” on Substack

Resources in the “Compost Heap”: Bhagavad Gita, Ryokan, Kamila Shamsie, Oranges are not the Only Fruit