Lightning Turns Money Into a Data Network | Jesse Shrader, CEO of Amboss

<p>Jesse Shrader built Amboss after paying $60 in Bitcoin transaction fees and watching his payment fail to arrive. Now Amboss is launching Rails X: full peer-to-peer trading directly on Lightning, self-custodial, near-instant, with the network itself acting as a decentralized exchange. In this episode of the Conor Chepenik Podcast we get into Lightning doing 40 million TPS vs Solana&#39;s 17,000, why stable coins at the edges actually serve Bitcoiners, AI agents streaming sats for compute, the newspaper-page-size tax story, why the four-year cycle is dead, and Jesse&#39;s quote that still floats around Twitter: &quot;Never before has greed tempted me to live a very simple life.&quot; Plus my kid closes it out, and if a 3-year-old knows what the best money is, well, you should too.</p><p><br></p><p>Timecodes below:</p><p><br></p><p>00:00:00 — Intro &amp; Jesse&#39;s origin story</p><p>00:05:46 — Rails X: peer-to-peer trading on Lightning</p><p>00:09:27 — Stable coins at the edges &amp; Taproot Assets</p><p>00:11:28 — AI tools for building &amp; the &quot;vibe coded app&quot; problem</p><p>00:20:41 — Self-custody flips finance on its head</p><p>00:29:17 — Lightning for AI agents &amp; micropayments</p><p>00:36:04 — Arc, eCash, and symbiotic L2s</p><p>00:43:03 — &quot;Never before has greed tempted me to live a simple life&quot;</p><p>00:51:38 — 100 years from now: Bitcoin as humanity&#39;s record</p><p>00:57:01 — If you could ask Satoshi one question</p><p>00:58:33 — Sloan&#39;s verdict: Bitcoin or fiat?</p>