33: They're Turning The Frogs Gay... | Bill Clinton Sex Scandal

Alex Jones has said plenty of strange things, but few have travelled further than his claim that chemicals in the water are changing the sexuality of animals, and of people too. It sounds absurd. Yet there’s a real pesticide, a real scientist’s frog research, and real restrictions in Australia on where that chemical can be sprayed. Nothing makes a conspiracy go off like a sex scandal, so this week the Cabal goes there.

Rich and Nick are joined by the Cabal’s newest member, former investigative journalist Bension Siebert, who worked with Rich on the podcast Pray Harder. After he was made redundant in 2025, Bension turned to sex work. He found it more meaningful than he expected and more secure than journalism, and it’s now paying for the investigation he’s scripting.

The frog problem: A “gay bomb” once floated by a US military research lab, the herbicide atrazine, Tyrone Hayes’s frog studies, and a small study of semen quality in 86 Missouri men. The guys explain why Australia restricted atrazine in 1997 and the paraquat and Parkinson’s questions that deserve real attention, and how a homophobic dog whistle buries all of it.The intern problem: Monica Lewinsky, Kenneth Starr’s investigation, Arkansas state troopers, and the president who didn’t inhale. Was the biggest political sex scandal of the past 50 years also a gift to Bill Clinton’s enemies?The larrikin problem: Bob Hawke’s affair with his biographer Blanche d’Alpuget, the much-loved Hazel, and why Australians kept cheering him at the cricket anyway. Plus Gladys Berejiklian and Daryl Maguire, Barnaby Joyce’s comeback, and whether cancel culture ever actually cancels anyone.The hypocrisy problem: Larry Craig was an anti-gay US senator until his 2007 arrest in an airport men’s room. That leads to Bension’s rule: when a politician rails against gay people, start the timer.The spy problem: It’s 1963. There’s a war minister, a 19-year-old model, a Soviet naval attaché, and a society osteopath who died after his own trial. Then Mandy Rice-Davies delivers the most famous retort in British public life: “Well, he would, wouldn’t he?”

Some of this is science: endocrine disruptors, sample sizes, and what a regulator actually found. Some of it is a mirror held up to the rest of us. Why are we so titillated by other people’s private lives, and why does hypocrisy end careers when the affair itself often doesn’t? The verdicts: atrazine turning the frogs gay scores a zero. Atrazine doing something to frogs scores