Jonathan Swan’s Dive into Trump’s Reality

As Trump’s second administration pursues a radically different playbook from his first, Jon is joined by Jonathan Swan, New York Times reporter and co-author of the book "Regime Change." Together, they discuss what’s changed between Trump’s first term and now, how to puncture the president’s reality distortion bubble, and the craft behind a great interview. Plus, Jon takes listeners’ questions about causing political diabetes and Trump’s 9/11 efforts.

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