Daine: The Underground Pop Darling on Flops, Fame, and Why She's Glad She Didn't Blow Up at 19

<p>This week we&#39;re joined by Daine — and if you don&#39;t know her yet, you will soon. She&#39;s the Australian artist who&#39;s the darling of the pop underground, and her album drops November 6th.</p><p>We talk about being 16 and sitting across from a major label exec who told her she was going to be bigger than Billie Eilish. It didn&#39;t happen. She&#39;s grateful. We talk about what she calls her three-tier music success pyramid — quality at the bottom, tolerance for failure in the middle, and the thing most people won&#39;t admit at the top. She explains it better than we could, and we all believe in the best Martin Scorsese quote you&#39;ve heard in a while.</p><p>We also get into the album itself, which was made when she and her producer were deeply in love, and is being rolled out now that they&#39;re exes. &quot;It&#39;s like a child of divorce,&quot; she says. &quot;And it&#39;s this really pure, beautiful thing.&quot;</p><p>Plus: the nepo baby allegations she cannot shake (her parents are, in her words, &quot;radical Marxist academics&quot;), why being conventionally attractive works against you in indie music, what it was like watching Nina go from first-show friend to Coachella, and Ben&#39;s encounter with Russell Crowe at a New York restaurant urinal that changed his life.</p>