The 70% Problem: What Still Needs Electrifying with Michael Liebreich

This week, Helen Czerski catches up with Michael Liebreich on why hydrogen's hype is deflating, what the electrification staircase says we should do now, and why the energy transition is easier than it looks.

0:00 Introduction and welcome to Michael Liebreich

2:04 What is the "hydrogen soufflé"?

5:35 Hydrogen ladder 6.0: cheaper batteries and a growing "row of doom"

9:14 Why clean hydrogen will likely stay blue, and white hydrogen reality check

14:07 Wind and solar overtake gas, and the primary energy fallacy

18:45 Do fuel cells have a future? Data centres and backup power

21:29 The electrification staircase: the 70% still to electrify

32:56 Who it's for, plus noisy motorbikes, Orwell's coal fire and induction hobs

37:39 Trump, heatwaves, Hormuz and Australia's battery boom

47:13 Skiing, glaciers, "no cold turkey on progress", and the Cleaning Up plug

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