Defying the status quo: A conversation on courage

What does it take to challenge the rules everyone else accepts? In this episode of Flying Solo, Cec Busby speaks with Avril Henry, who left apartheid South Africa at 22 with two suitcases and $500, then built a career advising business leaders, public servants, diplomats, and major Australian institutions.

Avril Henry shares how questioning authority shaped her life, why women are labelled “difficult” when they stand their ground, and how preparation, evidence, and influence can turn uncomfortable questions into meaningful change.

The conversation covers paid maternity leave, gender equity, imposter syndrome, negotiating your worth, and the importance of taking up space and standing your ground. As Avril puts it, “Do not make yourself small to make other people feel comfortable”

Key topics

Avril Henry's early life in South Africa and her anti-apartheid activism

The importance of questioning authority and challenging societal norms

The role of influence and soft skills in leadership and change management

Myths about women in leadership and how to bust them

The impact of preparation, research, and confidence in negotiations and influence

The significance of empathy, emotional intelligence, and human connection in future leadership

Time-stamped overview

00:00 Introduction and Avril's background