Tobias Ellwood: Preventing World War 3, Meeting Putin and Trump's Foreign Policy

Former Conservative Defence Minister and author Tobias Ellwood joins Spooning With Mark Wogan this week.

Tobias opens up about the harrowing personal experiences that shaped his worldview including the tragic loss of his brother in the 2002 Bali bombings and running toward danger during the 2017 Westminster terror attack. He reveals what it was like meeting Vladimir Putin face-to-face, briefing Donald Trump on D-Day history and why he believes our democracy needs a complete overhaul before it's too late. Plus find out if Mark can change Tobias’s mind on spicy food.

Food served:

Guilty Pleasure: Haribo Starmix and Tangfastic

Homeslice Pizza: Ham

Spoon One: Pork Belly with Peach and Chipotle BBQ sauce

Spoon Two: Apple Pie with Custard

Follow Spooning With Mark Wogan on Tiktok and Instagram @spooningwithmarkwogan

Senior Podcast Producer: Johnny Seifert

Cameraman: Alex Dearlove

Visual Editor: Chris Jacobs

Social Media: Jasmine Virdee