Trustless Swaps Across Bitcoin Layers | Walter Maffione SLP772

<p>Walter Maffione, CEO and co-founder of KaleidoSwap, join me to explain how the project grew from an RGB Lightning DEX into a broader swap engine and LSP stack — Lightning as rails between Liquid, Arkade, Taproot Assets, Spark, and RGB — plus KaleidoSDK, desktop app, and browser Extension.</p><p>We dig into web app and SDK integrations for merchants and unified-balance wallets, how HTLC atomicity works across layers, BOLT 12 multi-asset offers and Nostr discovery for competing providers, Bitcoin-only scope with Flashnet and Utexo bridges for external stables, and a product lineup of desktop app, browser extension, and dual SDKs.</p><p>Walter also covers agentic payments via MCP plugins, self-sovereign local models with Tether’s QVAC, fee ranges around 0.5–1%, and a one-to-three-month mainnet launch path for the extension, swap provider, and web app.</p><p>Timestamp:</p><p>00:00 — Intro: Walter &amp; KaleidoSwap</p><p>00:50 — From RGB to Multi-Layer Swaps</p><p>02:14 — LSP Plus Swap Provider Stack</p><p>03:42 — Merchants, Stables, Unified Balance</p><p>05:38 — Why Swap UX Took Over Wallets</p><p>06:42 — Liquidity Ops and Mainnet Path</p><p>07:58 — AI Attacks After Boltz Shutdown</p><p>10:23 — Defending Non-Custodial Swaps</p><p>12:18 — How Atomic Swaps Actually Work</p><p>13:36 — RGB, Liquid, Arkade, Spark </p><p>14:36 — Open Spec, BOLT 12, Nostr Discovery</p><p>18:23 — Pay Anything via the SDK</p><p>19:34 — Bitcoin Layers Only + Bridges</p><p>22:05 — Desktop, Extension, Dual SDKs</p><p>25:05 — UX That Adapts to the User</p><p>26:32 — Agentic Payments and QVAC</p><p>33:22 — MCP Plugins, Keep Your Own AI</p><p>35:11 — Fees Around 0.5–1%</p><p>35:57 — Launch Timeline: Next 1–3 Months</p><p>37:05 — Find KaleidoSwap Online</p><p>Links: </p><ul><li><p><a href="https://x.com/bit_walt"><u>https://x.com/bit_walt</u></a></p></li><li><p>https://x.com/kaleidoswap</p></li><li><p>https://docs.kaleidoswap.com/whats-kaleidoswap/introduction</p></li></ul><p>Stephan Livera links:</p><ul><li><p>Follow me on X:<a href="https://twitter.com/stephanlivera"> @stephanlivera</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://plinkhq.com/i/1415720320">Subscribe to the podcast</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://stephanlivera.substack.com/">Subscribe to Substack</a><br></p></li></ul>