Exploring Leary and the Occult with Joseph L. Flatley

This week, Joseph L. Flatley returns to the show for a wide-ranging discussion touching on themes of magick, psychology, and subjective synthesis and how these threads weave through his recent works- including his latest book, The Occult Timothy Leary: The Tarot, Magical States, and Post-Terrestrial Evolution and his podcast series The Inner Empire. Flatley was last on the show in June of 2026 to discuss his book about Gabriel of Urantia, New Age Grifter, and in conversation this time around expand on some of the themes from that episode- and more! They discuss various forms of channeling, ideas about extraterrestrial intelligences and Leary's eight-circuit model, the legacy of Western magical organizations such as the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and the role of technology in our societal evolution.

The conversation also gets into varied opinions about Leary and his legacy, and the wildly divergent points of view that inform public memory of him. There are plenty of avenues here to discuss the history of eccentric or controversial ideas, and this episode runs the gamut- and provides a nuanced look at where we are now, and where we might be headed as a species.

Check out Flatley's new book here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Occult-Timothy-Leary/Joseph-L-Flatley/9798888500842

...and check out the Inner Empire, whereever you find podcasts!