
← The Policy Fix24 sept. · 51 min
How Andy Burnham can make our economy more secure, with Jonathan Black
<p>Former Deputy National Security Adviser Jonathan Black joins Nesta CEO Ravi Gurumurthy to ask how Andy Burnham can make the UK economy more secure in a world where trade, technology, energy and investment have become tools of geopolitical competition.</p><p>This episode is part of Andy Burnham's first 100 days, our deep-dive series on the choices facing the new prime minister.</p><p>Ravi and Jonathan talk about how the UK should handle its economic relationships with the US, China and Europe, and where it needs to cut its reliance on countries and technologies that could leave it exposed. Jonathan draws on 25 years in government, including time as the prime minister's G7 and G20 sherpa. He goes through the hard trade-offs on offshore wind, AI and industrial policy, whether the UK should make a strategic bet on Europe, and what Whitehall needs to change to make these decisions well.</p><p>Chapters<br>00:00 Introduction<br>01:56 Can a prime minister avoid foreign policy?<br>05:48 Global integration meets great power rivalry<br>08:03 Does US–China interdependence prevent conflict?<br>13:28 How economic security policy fails<br>19:36 The Mingyang offshore wind decision<br>25:40 AI and sovereign capability<br>28:46 Depending on US frontier models<br>32:08 Should the UK make a strategic bet on Europe?<br>35:24 Middle powers and coalitions of the willing<br>37:52 How Whitehall needs to change<br>43:08 Working with business without being captured<br>44:50 Burnham's diary and his first 100 days</p><p>Liked the episode? Rate, review, subscribe – and share it with your network.</p><p>Watch the full series on YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfr-pIsrx5ko">https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfr-pIsrx5ko</a><br>Find out more about Nesta: <a href="https://www.nesta.org.uk">https://www.nesta.org.uk</a></p><p>Nesta is a UK research and innovation foundation. We design, test and scale solutions to the big challenges of our time. We're funded by a charity endowment and are politically neutral.</p>