202: Relaxation is a Skill: How to Train Your Mind by Holding Your Breath with Erwan Le Corre

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Erwan LeCorre is the founder of MovNat and BreathHoldWork, he has set the US national record in breath-holding 3 times.

We all know breathwork is important.

But have you ever considered that learning to *hold* your breath could be one of the most powerful tools for health, longevity, and inner peace?

In this episode, I sit down with Erwan Le Corre—one of the original pioneers of the outdoor fitness movement and founder of MovNat. Erwan was biohacking before it had a name, combining natural movement, cold exposure, fasting, and breathwork into a lifestyle decades before they were recognized in the mainstream.

He has now founded a new company, BreathHoldWork, teaching the technique he has used to set the US national record in breath-holding 3 times.

But this conversation isn't about the science (though we touch on it). It's about something deeper.

Erwan shares why relaxation is a skill, not a state you stumble into. Why holding your breath isn't just a party trick—it's a meditation that trains your nervous system to stay calm under stress. And why the real work of health isn't adding more supplements or gadgets, but learning to discriminate between what nourishes you and what drains you.

This episode will shift how you think about movement, breathwork, and what it means to live a truly embodied, spiritual life.

Here's what we cover:

Why modern fitness has forgotten the full scope of natural human movement—and what we lost when we moved indoorsThe connection between mitochondrial health, energy, and the way we move our bodies every dayHow breath-holding works: the physiology, the mindset shift, and why Erwan can hold his breath for over 8 minutes (yes, really)Why learning to calm your nervous system during a breath hold teaches you how to stay grounded when life gets stressfulThe spiritual side of breathwork—and why this practice is about much more than lung capacityHow to start cleaning up the "junk" in your life: junk food, junk entertainment, junk thoughts, and even junk peopleWhy deeply satisfying activities are almost always the healthiest onesThe role of self-examination and self-ministering in creating a life you actually want to live