And, This Is Bestselling Author Michael Lewis On Elon Musk, DOGE and His Newest Book “Blockers”

Bestselling author Michael Lewis (Moneyball, The Big Short, The Blind Side) joins the show to talk about his new book, Blockers: Rebels in the Deep State, and what he found reporting on the Trump administration's war against federal civil servants.

Lewis often writes about overlooked people inside massive, misunderstood systems, from Wall Street to baseball to government scientists. In his newest work, he explains how Elon Musk's DOGE actually operated inside agencies like the IRS and NIH, why career civil servants became targets, and what happens when the trust in our government finally collapses.

Lewis's new book Blockers: Rebels in the Deep State is out now.

00:00 Opening

00:25 Talking To Bannon, Kirk And Understanding Your Enemies

7:24 Which Of Michael Lewis’s Subjects Was Most Pissed At Him

10:35 How Michael Lewis Decides On His Subjects

18:07 Who Can Tell The Story of Trump’s Second Term

24:42 The Big Question Lewis Asked Himself Before Writing Blockers

30:03 Elon Musk, DOGE & The Origin Of The Term “Blockers”

36:23 What The Hell is The US Institute of Peace?

43:22 Government Is Moneyball All Over The Place