John Kiriakou UNLOADS on Hunting Terrorists, Elon Musk, & Pentagon Secrets

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John Kiriakou opens this segment with Julian by going back to the 1970s and his knowledge of the hunt for Carlos the Jackal, one of the most notorious terrorists of the era. From there, Kiriakou gives his honest take on Elon Musk's role at USAID and the push to cut the Pentagon budget by 8%, weighing in with the perspective of someone who spent years inside the intelligence world.

The conversation takes an unexpectedly personal turn when Kiriakou talks about a collector he knows who owns a blood soaked pillow case tied directly to Lincoln's assassination, and shares a separate story about a famous piece of Leonardo da Vinci artwork. He and Julian then circle back to geopolitics, digging into Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, and the lingering questions around the 2013 Syria chemical attack, before tracing how Western sanctions may have directly triggered the creation of BRICS and touching on a recent trip to China.

The segment closes with Kiriakou's issue with Sebastian Gorka and his read on the new Trump cabinet picks, rounding out a conversation that moves from Cold War-era espionage all the way to today's headlines.

***TIMESTAMPS***

0:00 Carlos The Jackal (1970's)

9:30 Opinion On Elon Musk & USAID, Cutting Pentagon Budget 8%

20:30 President Lincoln Collector (Blood Soaked Pillow Case)

29:16 Famous Piece Of Art Of Leonardo Story