Rapper JessB talks politics in music, how persistence pays off when starting out, and her reinvention post-professional netball.

JessB is in for a yarn on how one transforms from professional netballer to becoming a central figure in Aotearoa's hip-hop scene.

We talk about how hard it is in the music industry to measure "success", but why SHE no longer measures it by streaming numbers.

Off the back of a very loud week in the music industry globally - with the fallout over Macklemore being dropped from Ed Sheeran's tour because of his support for the people of Palestine - we talk about why politics and music are intrinsically linked.

And we debrief about the abrupt end of her professional netball career.

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