#212 From Austerity To Resilience - How to Build a Better Economy with Steven Hail

Patricia and Christian talk to Professor Steven Hail about the current state of economic discourse in anticipation of his upcoming workshops in Brighton (20th June, also featuring Patricia, Christian, and Green Party councillor and economist Sheridan Kates), Stockholm (27th June), and Brussels (28th June), entitled "From Austerity To Resilience - How to Build a Better Economy", which will empower participants to counter the common narrative that public investment is unaffordable or must be paid for by implementing austerity measures.

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LIVE EVENTS! ANTI-AUSTERITY ECONOMICS ONE-DAY WORKSHOPS WITH PROFESSOR STEVEN HAIL IN 2026!

Brighton Sat 20 June | Stockholm Sat 27 June | Brussels Sun 28 June

All details: https://modernmoneylab.org.au/events/

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Relevant to this episode:

Episode 30 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 1) :https://www.patreon.com/posts/29621245 Episode 31 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 2):  https://www.patreon.com/posts/29829500 Jamie Smith's substack: https://substack.com/@jgs952 Steven Hail's Substack: https://substack.com/@stevenhailaus Episode 211 - A Time-Critical Plan For UK Energy Prices And Security with Patricia Pino: https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-211-time-159842700 From Price Taker To Price Shaper: A Time-Critical Plan For UK Energy Prices And Security" by Patricia Pino: https://mmtuk.org/research/energy-price-policy/ Patricia's energy price stabilisation work featured in The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/28/the-guardian-view-on-energy-shocks-winter-is-coming-and-labour-needs-a-plan?CMP=share_btn_url "A Counterinflationary Job Guarantee For The United Kingdom", by Patricia Pino, Phil Armstrong and Steve Laughton: https://mmtuk.org/research/job-guarantee/  Watch a 15-minute introductory film on the Job Guarantee, featuring Patricia Pino, Pavlina Tcherneva, and Daniel Kostzer: https://mmtuk.org/research/job-guarantee/ "Understanding the Inflation Risks of Public Capital Investment: An input-output modelling approach" by Patricia Pino: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/publications/2026/apr/understanding-inflation-risks-public-capital-investment Join the new M