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The Zen of Nobody Caring | Valerie Bertinelli | Mackenzie Phillips | Tetyana Denford
<p>Valerie's guest this week is Tetyana Denford, the writer and author behind the "nobody cares" movement that's taken over Instagram — and quickly took over Valerie's algorithm too. Valerie is joined by co-host Mackenzie Phillips for this one, and together they dig into Tetyana's philosophy, which sounds blunt at first but is really a permission slip: stop performing, stop bracing for judgment that mostly isn't coming, and get comfortable with being a little uncomfortable. </p><p><br></p><p>The conversation covers body image at different ages, Instagram as a tool versus Instagram as a trap, giving your insecurities a name (meet Steve), and Tetyana's five-word mantra for anyone drowning in comparison: "you are not an algorithm."</p><p><br></p><p>Members get the full reveal, where Tetyana goes even deeper on that mantra, opens up about chasing likes versus staying human, and shares some genuinely exciting news — a new agent at CAA and a headline speaking slot at a major 2027 media festival. Plus, the story of how she became a "safe space" for total strangers, and what it takes to hold that space without losing herself.</p><p><br></p><p>Follow Tetyana on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tetyanawrites">@tetyanawrites</a> for more.</p>