The Zen of Nobody Caring | Valerie Bertinelli | Mackenzie Phillips | Tetyana Denford

<p>Valerie&#39;s guest this week is Tetyana Denford, the writer and author behind the &quot;nobody cares&quot; movement that&#39;s taken over Instagram — and quickly took over Valerie&#39;s algorithm too. Valerie is joined by co-host Mackenzie Phillips for this one, and together they dig into Tetyana&#39;s philosophy, which sounds blunt at first but is really a permission slip: stop performing, stop bracing for judgment that mostly isn&#39;t coming, and get comfortable with being a little uncomfortable. </p><p><br></p><p>The conversation covers body image at different ages, Instagram as a tool versus Instagram as a trap, giving your insecurities a name (meet Steve), and Tetyana&#39;s five-word mantra for anyone drowning in comparison: &quot;you are not an algorithm.&quot;</p><p><br></p><p>Members get the full reveal, where Tetyana goes even deeper on that mantra, opens up about chasing likes versus staying human, and shares some genuinely exciting news — a new agent at CAA and a headline speaking slot at a major 2027 media festival. Plus, the story of how she became a &quot;safe space&quot; for total strangers, and what it takes to hold that space without losing herself.</p><p><br></p><p>Follow Tetyana on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tetyanawrites">@tetyanawrites</a> for more.</p>