
โ HashrateUp - A Bitcoin Mining Podcast21 Jul ยท 54 min
Why This Miner Refuses to Pivot to AI w/ Raphael Zagury
<p>๐ GUEST LINKS</p><p>- Raphael Zagury (LinkedIn): https://www.linkedin.com/in/rzagury/</p><p>- Elektron Energy: https://elektronenergy.io/</p><p>- Twitter/X: @alphazeta ("Here Be Dragons" & monthly mining reports)</p><p><br></p><p>๐ SPONSORED BY</p><p>- Luxor โ Mining software, firmware & hashrate tools</p><p> https://luxor.tech/</p><p>- Altair Technology โ ASIC hardware, replacement parts & mining infrastructure</p><p> Code: HASHRATEUP</p><p> https://altairtech.io/aff/125/</p><p><br></p><p>๐ OVERVIEW</p><p>Everyone's leaving Bitcoin mining for AI. Raphael Zagury โ co-founder & CEO of Elektron Energy, one of the largest private Bitcoin miners in the world โ explains why they're doing the exact opposite.</p><p><br></p><p>We break down the first-ever hash rate bear market: why this cycle feels different, why hash rate has been grinding down since October (not crashing like the China ban), and what happens when 60-70% of machines get wiped out at the next hashprice halving. Raphael makes the contrarian case that right now is one of the best times ever to start mining โ if you can survive on the left side of the cost curve.</p><p><br></p><p>We also get into why Elektron refuses to pivot to AI/HPC, how they pitch mining to institutions like Fidelity, the self-correcting mechanism in hashprice, and why stranded energy in Brazil and Africa is the real opportunity nobody's pricing in.</p><p><br></p><p>โฑ TIMESTAMPS</p><p>0:00 โ Intro</p><p>0:47 โ World Cup, bear markets & Bitcoin cycles</p><p>2:49 โ The first-ever hash rate bear market explained</p><p>3:36 โ How this affects one of the largest private miners</p><p>3:53 โ Why this isn't the China ban (gradual grind vs sharp drop)</p><p>5:33 โ Why miners are fleeing to AI/HPC</p><p>6:50 โ Why Elektron sees this as an opportunity</p><p>8:19 โ The risks in AI/HPC nobody is pricing</p><p>9:05 โ Pitching mining to Fidelity & institutions</p><p>9:30 โ Unit economics: mining is still profitable</p><p>10:32 โ Cost curve & the self-correcting mechanism</p><p>11:14 โ What happens when 60-70% of machines shut off</p><p>13:02 โ Why institutions love contrarian miners</p><p>14:37 โ The AI pivot & hash rate on the way back up</p><p>16:32 โ When does mining beat just buying Bitcoin?</p><p>19:08 โ Why this story is so hard to tell investors</p><p>20:25 โ Market share, path dependency & hash rate dynamics</p><p>22:20 โ Why now is one of the best times to start mining</p><p>22:45 โ Capital & capital structure in mining</p><p>23:40 โ Why the AI boom will boom and bust</p><p>24:19 โ Building the optionality stack around energy</p><p>25:17 โ Why AI/HPC innovation is still dangerously early</p><p>28:34 โ electronics.dev: open-sourcing mining research</p><p>30:29 โ The efficiency curve (log scale) explained</p><p>31:50 โ Predicting the S23s with a regression line</p><p>32:14 โ Why efficiency gains are about to flatten</p><p>32:42 โ Network composition: S19s, S21s, S23s</p><p>33:38 โ Machine-by-machine break-evens & cost to mine</p><p>34:58 โ What a hashprice halving does to the network</p><p>36:11 โ Summer heat & temperature-sensitive machines</p><p>36:36 โ The shareholder-money era & underwater machines</p><p>40:17 โ Stranded energy: wind in Brazil, curtailment credits</p><p>42:19 โ Bitcoin's only customer is the protocol</p><p>42:39 โ Old S19s at $30: 6-month ROI vs 10-year energy ROI</p><p>43:11 โ Why Raphael is bullish on mining in Africa</p><p>47:28 โ Speaking the language of energy & TradFi</p><p>48:08 โ Batteries vs miners: a tenth of the capex</p><p>49:54 โ "Buyers of last resort, sellers of first resort"</p><p>50:47 โ RAPID FIRE: hashprice bottom, recycling, security & Brazil</p><p><br></p><p>๐ KEY TOPICS</p><p>- The first hash rate bear market โ gradual grind vs the China ban shock</p><p>- Why 60-70% of machines could turn off at the next hashprice halving</p><p>- The self-correcting mechanism i