Witches Tried to Stop This Debate — James Williams (Dark Waters) Tells All

Why does the church have so many arguments and so little power? James Williams of Dark Waters says Christians need the Holy Spirit's power, not just better debates.

Straight Bible Interview Sessions with James Williams (Dark Waters), hosted by Matt Hepner and TopLobsta.

James Williams, better known as Dark Waters, sits down with Matt and TopLobsta for a raw, unscripted conversation. He tells how the Lord told him to "study my generals," starting with John Wesley, why the first money from his debate went straight to the church, and why a Christian who crushes a debate opponent has already lost sight of the point. TopLobsta shares an Orthodox "gotcha" debate story, and James makes his main case: "They have arguments, but they don't have power."

From there: preachers who won't deal with the witch on their block, a wild Pentecostal church, reframing the Heather Lynn debate back to a biblical worldview, a witchcraft book in the children's section at BJ's, Shawn Ryan's DMT trip and the "mountain of influence," the "next shooter" principle, interceding for Alex Jones in the courts of heaven, Jay Dyer and knowing doctrine vs knowing God, witches, a scratch and the "satanic trading floor," standing on God's word (Psalm 91), riding the coattails of Christian forefathers, praying for a limping woman in Nashville, and how Dark Waters started, from opposition research in New Orleans to dogman live cams.

Questions answered

• Should a Christian crush an opponent in a debate? (6:16)

• Why does the church have arguments but no power? (10:00)

• What is the "school of the Spirit"? (12:54)

• What is the "next shooter" principle? (42:07)

• What does interceding in the courts of heaven look like? (50:46)

• How do you stand on God's word in spiritual warfare? (1:14:51)

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