Doing Whatever You Want, Is Keeping Your Business Small (Here's Why) | Mark C Winters

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Tommy sits down with Mark C. Winters, co-author of Rocket Fuel and author of the new book Visionary, to name the seat most founders never see: the integrator. They get into why four visionaries exist for every one integrator, why founders who sell rarely last a year, the 2017 hire that set Tommy free, and the one question every owner should answer before they ever think about selling.

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00:00 - Introduction

00:43 - Mark's Origin Story

04:11 - Predictable Visionary Patterns

06:55 - Small Shops To $400M

08:20 - Is "Founder" A Risk?

09:40 - Why Founders Leave After The Sale

12:18 - Who Becomes The Integrator